1.My point is that ALM is not doing the methed in the UK because ALM does not and has stated it cannot seek nusrah in the UK.

2.It is obvious that Shaikh Taqi (RA) defined an area of work to establish KH. It does not mean that the people outside don't do anything, but it was clear that outside this area HT was not actually working to establish Kh. This is evident from the answer he gave to the member who left the area. I feel ALM should not continue to claim that they are following the method of HT in the time of Sh. T. and admit they have there own understanding. As ALM stated it adopts its culture as a jammah from the books of HT, Ikwan, and other groups. It is fine ALM can have its own approach, but don't then say you are adopting from HT in the 50's, 60's and 70's.

3. Why does ALM not seek nusrah in UK USA etc if it adopts that the method must be executed everywhere or why does it not admit that it is not working to establish KH. in Britain etc!!!! The Prophet (SAW) achieved nusrah form outside his (SAW) area, but he was seeking it in Mekkah and the surrounding areas too.

4.I only asked AM to show how they are following the method of the Prophet (SAW) in the UK to topple the british government and establish the deen of Islam. Its just that AM claim to follow the method and engage in political/ideological struggle in the UK and some people don't take this very seriously (i am sorry if I put it in wrong way).Therefore, please explain how you are making ideological struggle with society and political struggle with the govt. Also please demonstrate how you are seeking nusrah with the british armed forces.

You said: [My point is that ALM is not doing the method in the UK because ALM does not and has stated it cannot seek nusrah in the UK].

Dear brother: would please read my previous answers to HT members and think before you answer.... The Majal of Takleef is the planet earth Allah says:       "To Allah belong the East and the West; wherever you turn there is the presence of Allah (commands)  For Allah is all-pervading all-knowing " EMQ 2:115 ]  and He (swt) defined the Majal of Takleef is the planet earth, Allah (swt) says: " I will create a Man on earth" [EMQ 2:30] ...  So, the commands of Allah are binding on us wherever we are. If you want to restrict any duty or its method you required a Daleel Shar'ie, can you provide one single Divine evidence about Majal or about what is fard is Jordan not fard in UK? pleaaaaase!!! No logic!!  

But one single DALEEL!! We members of Al-Muhajiroun are engaging in the divine method to establish Khilafah wherever we are including UK and members of Al-Muhajiroun are obliged to seek Nussrah wherever they are from Muslims in position of Nussrah including UK.  For example In the UK members of Al-Muhajiroun are regular contact with those who are visiting London the messenger use to meet those who use to Makkah, we seeking Nussrah from overseas Muslim-students training in British Military colleges.  Who said to you that you must engage in the Method only in the place your seeking Nussrah from.... The messenger was seeking Nussrah from people outside Makkah and ask them to handle the power to him on their area.. BUT did not stop engaging in the method in Makkah... Whereas HT members outside Majal they suspended the divine Method and replace it by education about Khilafah!!! Shame Brothers of HT,... are strongly advised to got a serious lessons in Islam before they started to make logical and non-Islamic Ahkam!!... Indeed Fiqh of Islam is power and without it we become a secular people.....! And any members of HT or other Islamic group living in any Kufr society without to engage on the divine method to remove the Kufr law in order to establish Islam are sinful because they are not relevant to the society or the Majal they are living in ... And that is call a secular Hizb or Clergy Hizb who is his call not relevant to the society. It is well known that HT members outside Majal are not engaging in the Divine method which i.e. culturing Society, Engaging in intellectual and Political Struggle against the regimes were they are living under beside seeking Nussrah to receive the power in order to establish Islam...

 In fact what they are doing is fulfilling the commands of their Ameer who suspended the commands of Allah i.e. the method outside Majal ... and that is the big sin and crime against Allah (swt). When we do not differentiate between the commands of Allah and the Commands of Man!! You said: [It is obvious that Shaikh Taqi (RA) defined an area of work to establish KH. It does not mean that the people outside don't do anything] Dear Brother, Let me make it crystal clear to hose who follow blindly Sheikh Taqi (rh)... that neither Sheikh Taqi or any sheikh himself nor his words is a divine Evidence, The divine Evidences are  Verses or Ahadeeth..... .... Indeed Sheikh Taqi (rh) did defined an area of work for HT to establish KH,  but he (rh) did not stop to engage on the method when he was outside Majal e.g. Beirut.... please refer to the leaflet of Majal....  and for the sake of the argument if Sheikh Taqi did say that the divine Method to establish Khilafah not binding upon Muslims (members or not members) outside his Majal he be considered a sinful because the matter is a clear cut and not open for interpretation....  like if I said fasting and its method is fard upon Muslims wherever they are except member of HT out said Majal!! Because they are part of the same entity....!!  so even Muslims are part of the same entity Ummah but they are going to be accounted individually.

Regarding your statement:  [...It does not mean that the people outside don't do anything]... let me tell you my Dear brother and make it to you explicitly clear that.... anything you or they do... I repeat anything...they do IF it is not part of the Divine Method as divine duties upon them itn mean they are doing nothing in relation to the Fard.... Nothing even if they attended close weekly Halaqah and fulfilling all Ameer orders i.e. Iltizamaat Hizbiyyah. does not remove the sin from their necks if they do not follow Allah orders i.e The Iltizamaat Islamiyyah e.g. the thought and the Method.........  and anything good they do different than the divine Method they remove no sin from their necks...... for example the method to perform Hajj will never fulfilled if we only you pray in Makkah and educate people about Khilafah and do good deed.... its required to engage in the fard of Hajj with its specific method and the same for the Fard of Khilafah with its a specific divine Method.... and without it no body perform his/her duty....

You said: [ but it was clear that outside this area HT was not actually working to establish Kh. This is evident from the answer he gave to the member who left the area] Dear Brother:  The big mistake of all members of HT and which make them confuse and weak in any discussion related to the issue of  Majal or the Method: that they speaks as entity i.e. Hizb not as a individual Muslims who are going to accounted by Allah (swt) as individual because of his/her efforts or actions not because of HT entity!!... the accountabilities in Islam is not for the entity rather for the action of the individuals... Shame... if one member of HT commit fornication is all members are sinful because there are from the same entity!!! NO and the same of some of them engage in the method in one areas does not remove the sin from those who are outside that particular area....!! Let us gown a little bit and listen to Allah saying: " He does take and account of them (all) and hath numbered them (all) exactly And every one of them will come to him singly on the Day of Judgement.." [EMQ 19:94-95] And Allah says: " That Day shall a man flee from his own brother. And from his mother and his father. And from his wife and his children. Each one of them that Day will have enough concern (of his own) to make him indifferent to the others" [EMQ 80:34-37]... Members of HT, always said: we are part of the same entity if HT who are working in Majal therefore we remove the sin from necks by doing anything else (except the Method) outside Majal!   So what it was Fard upon Muslims in Majal is not Fard upon them outside Majal? BECAUSE they are members and it is enough intercession for them on the day of judgement (shame)....  

Dear Brother: that particular individual member who was out side Majal was his duty to join or to form a group or a branch for Hizb in order to engage in the method for the sake to remove the sin from his neck.. . However, The reality today is different they are members of Hizb who are living outside Majal e.g. Pakistan, USA or UK and they started to replace the method by other logical good deed!!! Under the pretext they are in Dar Al-Holiday!! And to make it sound Islamic they said Al-Habashah!!

You said: [ I feel ALM should not continue to claim that they are following the method of HT in the time of Sh. T. and admit they have there own understanding] Dear Brother: Is that  what upset you ....no problem... but for a while I thought you are upset for the sake of Allah and His Deen and you have some evidences... however if your (wrong) understanding was allegedly the understanding of Sheikh taqi (rh) That means he was sinful and we will never follow stupidity rather we follow Quran and sunnah!!  We Muslims follow the commands of Allah (swt) and his Messenger (saw)  not Sheikhs... whoever they are. But indeed Sheikh Taqi (rh) never share with you your non-Islamic and disgraceful understanding.!!... Excuse me but what you carry is not even different of opinion rather it is HARAM and you must repent ...

You said: [As ALM stated it adopts its culture as a jammah  from the books of HT, Ikwan, and other groups ] Dear Brother: Indeed Al-Muhajiroun looked and benefit from the work of All classical Scholars and Islamic movements e.g.  Sahabah, Tabi'een, T/T, and classical and currents scholars e.g. Taqi, Syed Qutub, Mawdodi,  and many others even we did differed with them in some issues...  But Indeed the believers are brotherhood..... and their struggle are for the sake of Allah (swt)

You said: [It is fine ALM can have its own approach, but don't then say you are adopting from HT in the 50's, 60's and 70's] Dear Brother, But That is the fact of it we are adopting from HT in the 50's, 60's and 70's.... However if that upset you,  I Sheikh Omar Bakri, hereby declares that I do not follow any more HT in the 50's, 60's and 70's]But I follow the Quran and Sunnah only.... (Are you happy now?) !! But sorry,  I really wonder how old you are?

You said: [ Why does ALM not seek nusrah in UK, USA etc if it adopts that the method must be executed everywhere or why does it not admit that it is not working to establish KH. in Britain etc!!!! The Prophet (SAW) achieved nusrah form outside his (SAW) area, but he was seeking it in Mekkah and the surrounding areas too] Dear Brother, the problem it seems to me that your ability to understand is limited,  I am really sorry for you brother, but Al-Muhajiroun members are working in the UK to establish Khilafah and engaging in the method the way the messenger was doing in Makkah... but Allah knows where Al-Khilafah going to be ... please refer my previous answers and please don't worth our time on something obvious with clear cut evidences with your ration, logic and emotional attachment to Hizb and blind love to Sheikh Taqi (rh) without any shred of understanding... for the method or The teaching of Sheikh Taqi.

You said: [please explain how you are making ideological struggle with society and political struggle with the govt] We are following the same steps of the Messenger Muhammad (SAW) from Makkah to Madinah... The Messenger Muhammad (SAW) called society to Islam.... Therefore Al-Muhajiroun calling society to Islam wherever they are The Messenger Muhammad (SAW) exposed the system of Qureish..... Therefore Al-Muhajiroun engaging in exposing man-made law and the regimes wherever they are... If you think that is impossible for ALM to do so.....Simply the matter is Fard and Hukn Shari'ie not Aqlie i.e ratiom.... At least AlM involving in Ideological and political struggle against man-made law... and calling the whole society to Islam by many means e.g. open circles, public stalls and discussion in the streets, lectures, Rallies, Demonstrations beside seeking Nussra from Muslims (ONLY) in position of power.... of course not from Kuffar in the British Army or government but from Muslims in different part of he world.

You said: [Also please demonstrate how you are seeking nusrah with the british armed forces] We Muslims must know by necessity that Nussrah to take power comes only from Muslims... It is Haram to seek Nussrah from non-Muslims. (we are not talking about individual protection!!